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Round Top in Spring, South of the Meiss Roadless Area. The PCT and TYT routes part company around Round Top.

 

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Hiking to the Overlook with great Views East & South of Christmas Valley & Round Top

Backpacking Meiss Country Roadless Area on the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail. A break with Pete, Jason, Pat and Jan.

 

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Trail Guide This Segment NORTH Meiss Roadless Area towards Echo Summit SOUTH Meiss Roadless Area towards Showers Lake This Topo Map Echo Summit to Carson Pass Maps Index MILES AND ELEVATION Miles and Elevations Index Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit

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Grand View of the Meiss Country Roadless Area South of Echo Summit

Round Top in the distance beyond the Tahoe Rim.

Round Top in the distance beyond the Tahoe Rim.

MAP

Passing South of the Frog Pond Loop and crossing the foot bridge we begin ascending a hard climb up the drainage. You may not know it yet, but you are climbing towards a gap in the mountains 1.2 miles South of the Frog Pond junction, about half-way up to the top of the climb that provides long views East and South, as we will see.

I think I've noticed an anomaly between the USGS 7.5 map and the actual trail route here, at 2.11 miles South of Echo Summit, just to the North of the upcoming break spot.

It appears the trail has been rerouted to switch back around the Northeast side of the knoll that makes up the North side of the gap. The topo map shows the trail following the creek up the Northwest side of the peak to the gap. This reroute is just North of the gap in the terrain that serves as our vista, break spot, and backpacker meeting spot.

This reroute is not a problem for hikers to follow. It's just different from the trail route on the map.

This reroute would have been done to get the trail out of the active terrain along the creek drainage, as shown on the USGS topo map, onto more stable footing to better secure the trailbed. This route has changed much over the decades.

I'll check this section closely with map in hand next time I hike through. Your input on this would be cool.

Comments-Questions-Experiences in here?

A Great Rest Spot with a View of Meiss Roadless Area and Good Company

The trail winds around and between many rock mountaintops Round Top in the distance.
Round Top in the South

The trail ahead winds between mountain tops surrounded by dense forests through a roller coaster of rises and falls.

But you will make no mistake about the nature of this hike being upward, compounded by short descents.

We move out of the drainage feeding Benwood Meadow below as we climb towards the Eastern-facing gap in the Western flank of Christmas Valley that will give us long views.

As we approach our break spot, about 2.14 miles South of Echo Summit, fine views of Round Top, about 11 miles South, open up through the trees. Round Top sits just Southwest of Carson Pass, outside of the Lake Tahoe Basin.

One of the two Sisters, the pointy peak to the right of Round Top, is also visible. When we   depart the Tahoe Basin at the Carson Gap, we must choose which trail we follow South.

The PCT runs to the left, Southeast of Round Top's massif while the Tahoe-Yosemite trail passes to its right, to the Southwest.

Remember: Click the Colored points on the MAP for the Related Trail Page. The map acts as an index for the trail guide.

Long Views: South to Round Top, and East to the South Upper Truckee River in Christmas Valley

Round Top, past Carson Pass, in the distance Rock Above Round Lake
For just a small section along the trail Round Top comes fully into view. Highway 88 runs East and West behind the foreground ridge, which is the SE rim of the Tahoe Basin, with Round Top sitting just beyond. The Tahoe to Yosemite Trail passes under the Crest of Round Top, just out of sight of this image. Looking East across Christmas Valley. The South Upper Truckee trail from Meyers tracks South towards the Pacific Crest Trail junction through Christmas Valley below this formation. This rock formation sits above, and just a bit South of Round Lake.
massif 1. a geologically distinct mass of rock or a series of connected masses forming the peaks of a mountain range

Looking East: The South Upper Truckee in Christmas Valley

South Upper Truckee Valley

Looking to the East at where the South Upper Truckee River drains Christmas Valley. Round Lake and Dardanelles Lake sit within Christmas Valley.  Round Lake sits in the forest below the volcanic formation right of center. Notice that the terrain is volcanic on the Eastern flank of Christmas Valley, while the Western flank is composed of granite. Cool. This same type of interface also splits Brown Bear Pass, down South in the Emigrant Wilderness.

As we hike South along the rim of the Tahoe Basin on the Pacific Crest & Tahoe to Yosemite Trail route, we will exit the granite zone when we pass Showers Lake, and be hiking across volcanic terrain until we are well past Ebbetts Pass, except for small islands of granite, in this vast sea of high altitude volcanic debris.

Check out the view of this position from Down There.

Also check out these views of Round Lake and Dardanelles Lake. The Meyers trailhead is to the left in the frame, where the South Upper Truckee River flatten out in Christmas Valley. We will intersect with the Round Lake/Meyers trail that runs up through Christmas Valley about 7 miles further South, heading to the right in this view.

Detail

Detail of Rock above Round Lake.
Detail of Rock above Round Lake composing the East side of Christmas Valley.

North: Meiss Roadless Area to Echo Summit                                                                    South: Meiss Roadless Area to Showers Lake

Nice Rest Stop
Backpacking the Meiss Country Roadless Area, South of Echo Summit

Elevation: 8160 feet

+783 feet above Echo Summit

Miles: 2.14 miles South from Echo Summit.

4.66 South to the first Showers Lake trail marker (+.4 more to the lake itself).

9.86 miles South to the Carson Pass.

MILES AND ELEVATIONS

Trail Friends: Pete, Jason, and Dog

Break Time

This part of the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail is shrouded in dense forest packed into a fold between the mountain ridges until the trail passes through a gap in the close forest and rock terrain to a clear overlook with views East and South.

This vista is complimented with an expansive flat littered with boulders and rocks providing excellent seating. Well, it is expansive compared to the "close-in" dense forest and rock terrain we are hiking through.

Excellent seating and expansive views make this flat location a natural break and meeting spot for hikers between Echo Summit and Showers Lake.

Pete and Jason in the Meiss Roadless Area Pete and Jason's Trail Dog
Pete and Jason. Had a nice break with these guys. I had plenty of food, and therefore plenty of time to get to Showers Lake. They had the remainder of their trail pouch, and were on their way out. We had a smoke and they left their pouch with me. Pete and Jason's Trail Dog packed for action, heading back to Echo Summit from an overnight at Showers Lake.
See Peter and Jason Showers Lake Images

Backpacker's tip from the trail: Nature's Fine Kindling

Pete and Jason's Fire tip

Jason and Pete's Fire Tip for hikers:

Pete: "I included this one for the trail tip - the green moss/lichen at the base of the fire makes GREAT starter material." (quote & photo: Peter, Jason Prepping the Fire) Alex note: find the fallen trees that have dried and cracked into little dry cubes. With moss, these are the easiest fire starter materials.

Trail Friends: Jan and Pat

Lingering after Peter and Jason departed allowed me to meet Jan and Pat. Jan and Pat were out on an ambitious day hike. I believe they went out to the Sayles Junction from Echo Summit and back.

Pat is an astute observer of man and nature, and I enjoyed a lively chat with Pat and Jan. Jan and Pat demonstrate the value of this section of Tahoe to Yosemite Trail for day hiking.

You meet lots of good folks on the High Sierra trails.

 
Jan and Pat kicking it for a moment

Jan and Pat taking a break during what appeared to be an 8 to 10 mile aggressive day hike. I believe they were training and hiking themselves into condition to start backpacking sections of the Tahoe Rim Trail.

There are a lot of cool day hikers in the Meiss Country Roadless Area.

We had an excellent conversation. If you want to restore your faith in humanity, spend a few weeks on the Sierra trails meeting great people from California, the United States, and around the world.

North: Meiss Roadless Area to Echo Summit                                                    South: Meiss Roadless Area to Showers Lake

Great Conversations with Great People with a Great View

A little over 2.14 miles from the Echo Summit trail head, according to the map, (though it appears the trail was re-routed thorough part of this section, and is different than the USGS 15 min map-so the actual distance figure may differ a bit) the trail passes along a gap between two peaks where you can get a good view of much of the Meiss Roadless Area to the East and South.

Having a good view, and being a nice place to sit were only the #2 and #3 reasons to stop here for a break. Reason #1 by, by far, were the cool hikers I met here.

First were Pete and Jason, two cool backpackers out of the El Dorado Hills who had stopped for a break on their way out from Showers Lake back to their car at Echo Summit.

They had a pouch of Bugler, which was gold to me at that point. I generally stop smoking on the trail, but when they saw my face when I saw their pouch, they quickly consulted, determined the length to the trailhead, and gave me their tobacco pouch.

I really enjoyed my evening hot chocolate and smoke that evening!

Thanks Dudes!

I tarried a bit after they departed, and shortly Pat and Jan came around the corner, also hiking back towards Echo Summit. They were also ready for a break, so I kicked it longer and enjoyed their company.

Being able to stop and enjoy the company of other backpackers and hikers is an important reason to pack the proper amount of food. If you are always running short, you will have little time to explore the personality of each region you pass through, nor of the other people out there.

Pat had a real nice insulation/shell layer that combined attributes of both. He really liked it a lot, so I thought I's mention it. It is a new piece of technical clothing from "arctech" It was a fine, light, insulating shell layer. Though it did not have a hood, it's breathable insulating qualities made it a fine candidate to replace my fleece coat layer, if I ever get rich.

It was quite costly. But the finest gear always is.

Check out the gear section.

So far, today was more of a social day than a hiking day. I spent a couple of hours hanging out with Randy. I kicked it for awhile with The Mighty Mike doing the TYT. I enjoyed a smoke and talk with Pete and Jason, and then had a fine conversation with Pat and Jan overlooking a wide swath of the Meiss Country. It would be a 7.8 mile day.

No worries. I've got plenty of high mileage days ahead between here and Tuolumne Meadows.

And I'm not going to miss meeting the fine people who populate the long trails between Tahoe and Whitney.

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7.5 Topo Hiking Map: Echo Summit to Carson Pass   

30 min Topo Hiking Map: Echo Summit to Carson Gap

Miles and Elevations

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Section: Echo Summit to Carson Pass
Segment: Trail Friends rest spot and view

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